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Josh Radin |
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A word of caution to struggling musicians: the following interview may make you little angry...and jealous. Not exactly an overnight success, but Josh Radin's musical career is the closest to the concept we've heard of yet. The first song he ever wrote was featured on the T.V. show, Scrubs, and he signed with a major label within 18 months of recording his first collection of songs. Quite a renaissance man, Radin is a painter, writer, and has the voice of an angel to top off his lists of talents. Throw in the fact that he's close friends with musical tastemaker, Zach Braff, there seems to be no stopping this guy. Adding to our collection of Hotel Café interviewees, Radin chatted with Way Cool Music about his sky rocketing career, making his first music video, and the gratifying nature of being a musician. |
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Way Cool: |
Tell us a little bit about your background and how you got involved with music. |
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Josh Radin: |
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Well, I’m Jewish. Is that what you mean by background? I’m a quarter Polish, quarter German, quarter Austrian, and quarter Russian. I’m a European mutt. |
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WC: |
How did you get into music? |
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JR: |
I got into music about three years ago. Cary Brothers was like, “You gotta play music.” And I said, “Alright.” So I wrote a song and recorded it in his bedroom. It got on a TV show (Scrubs) about a month later. That was the only song I had. People started emailing me and asking if I had any other songs. So I started writing more songs. That’s about it. |
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WC: |
Such a typical story about how people get involved with music! |
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JR: |
Yeah, I bypassed driving around in a station wagon and sleeping on buddies’ floors! |
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WC: |
Maybe that will be on the way down. Fingers crossed! |
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JR: |
Yep, I’ll be playing in state fairs across the country! Great guarantees to help get the grandkids through college. |
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WC: |
There seems to be a very close knit group of friends out in LA (Cary Brothers, Jason Kanakis, Zach Braff, Rachael Yamagata…). How did you guys get together? |
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JR: |
In college at Northwestern in Evanston, Illinois. My best friends that are out in L.A. are my core group of friends. We all went to college together.
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WC: |
You weren’t doing music at that point, though, were you?
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JR: |
No, I was studying art… painting and drawing. |
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WC: |
So, when you moved from New York to L.A. a couple of years ago, what was that transition like?
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JR: |
It was an easy transition because I had been going out to L.A. a fair amount. My ex-girlfriend had work out there. So I had been spending quite a bit of time there, rekindling a lot of friendships from college with those guys who were living out there and we just started spending a lot of time together. When I moved to L.A… it’s a really fake, plastic town and that’s why it gets that stereotype, but I have a core group of friends, and I just met all their friends, so I just moved into this community, which was great. I didn’t have to go out and meet new people; I just went and hung out at the Hotel Café five nights a week and met everyone there. It’s like Cheers. |
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WC: |
Tell us what it’s like to play at the Hotel Café. |
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JR: |
It’s funny that it has this big reputation now from all of us talking about it, but it really only holds 200 people. But, it’s a great room. It sounds great from stage. It sounds great in the audience. It’s really about the people who hang out and work there and the guys that run it. That’s really what it’s about for us. It’s just a room with a couple of speakers in it and a platform stage, but it’s great.
The first time I played there was a little over two years ago. Cary (Brothers) set up a gig for me. He told me about MySpace and I went on there for a couple of weeks and just started adding people in L.A. I went out to L.A. and played the Hotel and sold it out! At the time, I think it held 90 people. It was the first time I had played outside of New York. |
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WC: |
Was that before or after your song (‘Winter’) was on Scrubs? |
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JR: |
It was right after. So, all these people started turning up. That’s when I realized that MySpace is really New York and L.A. with a little Midwest thrown in, but not much. |
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WC: |
Scrubs was the first time we heard of you. |
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JR: |
When my website was just a photo of me? There was just one photo and it had my hotmail address and you could stream that song. It wasn’t even mixed or mastered. It was a demo version of the song that got on a TV show! You couldn’t buy it or anything. |
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WC: |
When I googled your name, it came up with a different Josh Radin and thought, “Who is this guy?! It can’t be the same person!” |
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JR: |
Yeah, that’s the guy from the Sylvester Brothers. That’s why I have to be “Joshua” Radin. JoshRadin.com was taken, so I had to be JoshuaRadin.com. The other one lives in the Catskills and in an older gentleman’s band. He probably doesn’t get much web traffic. But, now if you enter JoshRadin.com, it goes to my site. |
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WC: |
You may not have considered yourself an independent musician for very long, but tell us about that transition from independent to major label artist.
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JR: |
I guess I was only independent for about a year and a half before I got signed. I had released an EP that Cary and Chad (Fischer) produced. That was in 2004. In July, it went onto iTunes and I printed about 2,000 copies of it. I sold those at shows, sold out and never printed them again. Then, when I signed the record deal with Columbia, I had them take the songs off of iTunes, so you can’t really get those anymore. Well, they are b-sides of my new CD in Japan… when the CD comes out in Japan. |
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WC: |
What was the process like, signing with Columbia? |
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JR: |
It was pretty seamless. I recorded the EP in my friend’s bedroom! Columbia picked up the CD “as is.” When the bids started coming in, I said, “This is the record.” I wouldn’t sign with anyone who wanted me to change it. That was key. I have a lot of friends who sign deals and the record label just keeps wanting more singles. You have so many people trying to decide on one or two songs and the next week they are fired. I have friends who were signed three years ago and still haven’t released a record because the labels can’t get their heads out of their asses. I would say that’s very key for any musician out there. Make your own records. Buy ProTools and a mic if you’re making lo fi music. You don’t need to spend a lot of money to record. We made this for free. |
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WC: |
Did you have management at that point? |
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JR: |
Yeah, I had a manager in New York and she dropped me to become a lawyer. Then, my new manager picked me up about five months before we signed. I don’t think the labels would have heard of me if it weren’t for her. |
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WC: |
The songs on We Were Here are very intimate and quiet and seem very personal. What was the inspiration for those songs? |
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JR: |
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A breakup. It’s a breakup record. Well, it’s a record about falling in and out of love, but mostly about falling out of it. But, I couldn’t make it too dark. Every song couldn’t be about it! I was living with this girl in New York, and for about six months before we broke up, I started writing songs because I couldn’t express it any other way. All these songs just kinda came out. Then, we broke up. Then, I met a new girl and wrote a couple of happy songs and the record came out.
I get more emails about the happy songs then I do about the sad ones. “This is the song we’re playing at our wedding!” and stuff like that, rather than “This is the soundtrack to my suicide.” |
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WC: |
Tell us about making your first video (‘Closer’). |
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JR: |
It was cool. We shot in six hours so it went by really quick. I didn’t do much. I just stood there and lip synced my song while they shot a bunch of camera angles. |
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WC: |
You shot at Hollywood Bowl? |
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JR: |
Yeah, that was pretty amazing. It’s the best place to see music ever. And they’ve invited me back to play with the Philharmonic in the Bowl, so that will be like the coolest moment of my life, I think.
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WC: |
Had you done any acting at that point? |
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JR: |
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WC: |
Well, you look really comfortable in front of the camera.
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JR: |
Thanks. But that’s really all about Zach (Braff). People ask, “How did you make your video?” And I just stood there.
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WC: |
How did your appearance on The Last Kiss soundtrack come about? |
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JR: |
Well, I wrote ‘Star Mile’ for the movie about the movie. In the vain of the movie. So, that’s how that one got on and it ends the movie.
‘Paperweight’ is a song I wrote with Schuyler Fisk. We did a demo in Schuyler’s basement on her laptop and I played it for Zach. He said, “You’ve got to make a recording of this. I love it and listen to it over and over.” So we did that and spent about two hours in the studio and gave it to him. A couple of weeks later, Zach called and said that they were going to add six more songs to the soundtrack that weren’t in the movie and he said they wanted to end the soundtrack with ‘Paperweight.’ I’m the only one with two songs on it, so hopefully that works for me. It seemed to go well for The Shins. |
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WC: |
Zach leads a pretty charmed life in that instead of looking for new musicians on MySpace, he just asks his friends to record a new song! |
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JR: |
Yeah, or he comes to the Hotel and sees all the other new artists around. That’s the great thing about the Hotel. Not only the people there, but in terms of business. If you want to make money placing your song, all the music supervisors come there looking for talent. They’re all trying to find cheap songs for their shows and artists without publishing deals. It works out. I love that place. |
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WC: |
With all the singer/songwriters out there and all the comparisons you get, how do you see yourself fitting in? |
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JR: |
Quite nicely. I think I sound like me. Some people say, “I hear Paul Simon or Nic Drake or Elliott Smith,” but I just hear me. I get it a lot, but I hear differences and I think others do, too. But, I don’t mind the comparisons, particularly with those three. |
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WC: |
When was the last time you played an electric guitar? |
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JR: |
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I’ve never played the electric guitar. I own two, but have never played either of them. I may play them someday. I like the kind of music I’m playing now, sort of 1970s singer/songwriter. That’s what I do with the live show, too. I like to keep it intimate and organic. When we play with the full band, we don’t do electric at all. We do upright bass, cello, violin. I love strings, all acoustic sounding… that’s the kind of stuff I love listening to. I’m not a rocker, plain and simple, which is why I found it interesting playing at The Patio (Indianapolis) to Butch Walker fans.
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WC: |
I read somewhere that when you first started playing guitar, your neighbor was annoyed at the sounds you made, so you started playing really quietly. |
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JR: |
Yeah, that’s why I sound this way. I thought that maybe I’d pick up the electric, but I would literally pull out a pick and play the acoustic unplugged and she’d start pounding on the walls. I wrote all my songs at night while my ex was asleep and we had a small apartment. Then, she’d hear the songs and I’d say, “It’s just a song, baby! It doesn’t mean that we’re over!” |
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WC: |
You’re background is in screenwriting? |
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JR: |
I spent about five years in New York doing it and I optioned two films and neither got made. It was so frustrating. Then the music thing came along, pretty much from nowhere, and people started digging it and I could pay the bills while I was doing it. Deep down, that was what I wanted to do as I was singing in the shower and in the car. There’s nothing better than getting paid to make music.
I’m totally an insecure artist and need the instant gratification of an audience. There’s no gratification for a screenwriter! They don’t even get to be on the set. People are like, “Thanks for the script. See ya!” And you just hand over something that’s like your baby. But it’s nice to be able to write a song, pull out a guitar, record it, and put it out on the Internet for people to hear. They either like it or they don't. But you don't need someone in a suit coming in to say, "No, I think we're going to have Jamie Foxx come in and sing that for you." You write a script and they bring in six other hired guns to come in and fix it up and you have no control over it. That's no good. I like having control over it. |
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WC: |
At what point will you consider yourself successful, or do you already? |
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JR: |
I already do. I don’t have to wait tables or park cars and I get to do what I love. I’m pretty content. I just hope it lasts. |
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WC: |
What are your next steps? |
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JR: |
We’re playing Jimmy Kimmel on September 19 and then play a few shows with Vienna Teng. Then the Hotel Café tour starts October 1st. Cary and I will be playing all six weeks and then a bunch of different artists and special guests will be joining us. |
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Now, we'd like to play a game we call "7 Questions." |
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What's the worst job you've ever had?
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Being a real estate agent.
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What's your favorite movie or lyric quote?
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First I was a heroin addict. Now I’m a methadone addict. (Annie Hall) |
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Who would you want to star in the movie of your life?
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Me. |
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What's your favorite TV theme song?
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Scrubs by Chad Fischer and Lazlo Bane. |
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If you were a superhero, what would your name be?
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Waycoolmusicman. |
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What do you want to do/be when you grow up?
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You don’t have to grow up when you’re a musician or artist. You just age. |
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Finally, why are there so many songs about rainbows?
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Because we all want to sound like Kermit the Frog when we sing.
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To find out more information about Josh Radin, visit his website at www.joshuaradin.com. |
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